"DUB DEBUTANT"

niveau dub c kler que Alpha&Omega ils te mettent une bonne claque...

sinon pour le dub français y a aussi un gars qui déchire (je trouve) il s'appele KANKA et c vraiment du bon il etait sur qq compils et je crois qu'il a sorti un album !

Sinon AVIS A TOUS j'ai un album ki m'avais bien scotché ça s'appelle : "Bedouin Sound Clash", sorti sous le label ricain ROIR Dub c vraiment un ovni je v mettre la pochette...pour ceux que ça intéresse c vraiment barré et surtout j'en ai jms rentendu parlé

voyons voir

Mais sur ce topics, les "débutant" n'ont pas eu l'explication de ce que était le (ou la dub)... son histoire, son évolution, le dub now...

LE DUB OU DU DUB COMME TU VEUX MAIS LE DUB! LA, C EST RESERVE A LA MAUVAISE MUSIQUE... LA TECHNO PAR EXEMPLE...

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A Brief History of Dub

The word 'dub' today is used to describe a genre of music that consists predominantly of instrumental re-mixes of existing recordings. These re-mixes radically manipulated and reshape the recording(through the use of sound effects). The production and mixing process is not used just to replicate the live performance of the recording artist, but audio effects and studio 'trickery' are seen as an integral part of the music. The roots of 'dub' can be traced back to Jamaica in the late 1960s, where it is widely accepted that Osbourne Ruddock pioneered the style(1). Ruddock turned the mixing desk into an instrument, with the Deejay or mixer playing the role of the artist or performer. These early 'Dub' examples can be looked upon as the prelude to many dance and pop music genres(2).

Jamaican music has always borrowed heavily from U.S. popular music form adapting this music to give Jamaica its own unique variations(3). During the forties 'Big Band' music was very popular in Jamaica, with swing bands touring all over the country playing at local dance halls, but by the 1950's these 'Big Bands' were starting to be superceded by smaller, 'more dynamic, optimistic' (4) bop and rhythm and blues groups. Jamaicans traveling to America in search of work were exposed to this new kind of music, which fitted in perfectly with America's postwar optimism. It was not only being played live but also through large sound systems, and this trend soon followed to Jamaica. Sound system operators started appearing in the ghetto areas of Jamaica's capital Kingston, holding dances in large open spaces called 'lawns'. These operators would also tour the country districts of Jamaica in direct competition with the big bands. These sound systems soon took over in the dance halls, because for many people who didn't own a radio, it was the only way to hear the new R&B music. 'Sound systems were also cheaper to employ than a dozen musicians and a 'sound' took no break' (5). By the middle of the 1950s, Duke Reid and Clement 'Coxsone' Dodd had become two of the premier sound system operators in Jamaica.

In 1954 Ken Khouri started Jamaica's first record company 'Federal Records' pressing licenced copies of American recordings, as well as a few local artists. Following his lead in this Duke Reid and Clement 'Coxsone' Dodd both held their own recording sessions, recording Jamaican artists for exclusive play on their own sound systems in the hope of gaining the upper hand in the highly competitive business. Duke Reid recorded Derrick Morgan and Eric Morris for sound system play. Reid, whose set(6) played at 'S-Corner' on Spanish Town Road, even titled Derrick Morgan's first tune 'Lover Boy' as 'S-Corner Rock' when it was played on the sound system as an exclusive acetate recording. Clement Dodd also had his first recording session in this year, recording over a dozen tracks with artists like Alton Ellis and Eddie Perkins, Theophilius Beckford, Beresford Ricketts and Lascelles Perkins.(7)

Young Jamaicans during the early sixties had been drawn to the major cities in search of work. They had not found it, and the mood of the ghetto areas had started to deteriorate. These youths or 'Rude boys' as they were called, started forming into political gangs from different ghetto's throughout Kingston. 'Rude boys connected with the so-called 'underworld', a layer of people who lived outside the law, and who had always patronized Jamaican dance music'(8). The 'Rude boys' connection with the dance halls, as well as their style of dancing (which was slower and more menacing) changed the style of music being played from the more up tempo Ska(9) to the slower Rock Steady beat(10) . While many producers(11) have claimed to have pioneered the 'Rock Steady' groove it was Duke Reid who capitalized on it, recording and releasing several tunes by a variety of performers in this new style.

The 'Rock Steady' phase lasted little more than a year, and although Duke Reid and 'Coxone' Dodds had dominated Jamaican music for well over a decade, three other producers, Lee 'Scratch' Perry, Bunny Lee and Osbourne Ruddock (all of whom had worked for either Ried or Dodds at sometime) dictated the pace of Jamaican music in the seventies and beyond.

Lee 'Scratch' Perry ( or Rainford Hugh Perry) was born in 1936 in Kendal, a small town in the rural parish of Hanover, in the northwest of Jamaica. Perry arrived in Kingston in the late 1950s, and immediately tried to enter the music business. He started working for Coxsone Dodd as a 'gopher, bouncer, spy, talent scout, uncredited songwriter and eventually performer'(12) Perry left Coxsone's employ after a disagreement over payment, moving to a new label (Amalgamated) set up by Joel Gibson, where he recorded an early reggae hit called 'People Funny Boy' (which was a verbal attack aimed at his previous employer 'Coxsone".) Perry became well known as a producer and was instrumental in Bob Mailey and the Wailers early success. He linked up with Mailey and the Wailers in 1969, beginning a collaboration that resulted in 'definitive versions of some of the Wailers strongest work'(13). Perry, through his work as an artist, producer and engineer, has been one of the main people responsible in shaping the sound of Jamaican music over the last forty years(14).

Osbourne Ruddock (better known as King Tubby) was born in 1941 in Kingston, and worked as an electronics engineer (repairing radios and televisions) though out the 1960s. He owned a sound system (called 'Home Town Hi-Fi') by 1968, and used unique echo and reverb effects which set him aside from the competition. During this time, he also worked for Duke Reid at Treasure Isle Studio as the master cutter, cutting acetates(15). These 'one off' disc were designed to gain a competitive edge over rival sound system operators via their exclusivity. Ruddock was mixing one of these 'dub' versions when he accidently left out portions of the vocal track from the recording. On listening back, he decided he liked the effect of just having the bed track by itself and played it on his sound system.

He took it to a dance and played the vocal, which everybody knew, then played the dub plate of this rhythm track and people couldn't believe it.(16)

These new 'versions' of popular songs (combined with the unique effects of his sound system) soon saw Tubby's 'Hometown Hi-fi' become extremely popular(17). In addition Tubby had started working along side deejay Edwart Beckford, known in the dance hall as U Roy, who had begun answering the vocal sentiments of the singers with his own brand of outrageous jive talk. This vocal style known as 'toasting' is widely accepted as a precursor to 'rapping' (18).

In 1972 Ruddock set up a tiny studio at 18 Bromilly Avenue in Waterhouse (a district in Kingston), he began to experiment with these instrumental recordings using various home built electronic effect devices such as reverb, delay and equalizers, and started to further manipulate the sound of these instrumental songs. He acquired a disc-cutter and a two-track tape machine, and using his home made mixer, started working closely with producers like Bunny Lee and Lee 'Scratch' Perry. Together with Perry he made the stereo dub album 'Blackboard Jungle' in 1973.

Joe Gibbs of 'Amalgamated' soon saw the potential of these instrumentals, and instructed Errol Thompson (Gibb's engineer at Randy's 'Studio 17') to start putting instrumental/rhythm versions on B-sides of singles, which he called 'dub'. Tubby bought a four-track mixing board from Dynamic Studio and, with his background in electronics, he was able to specially-customized this equipment to include faders. This enabled him to slide tracks in or out of the mix smoothly, giving Tubby the edge over his rival, Errol Thompson who had to punch tracks in more abruptly, using buttons. In 1974, Tubby started working closely with Bunny Lee, who supplied hundreds of rhythms, and recorded all his hit artists at Ruddock's studio (including Johnnie Clarke and Cornell Campbell). The studio now contained many effect devices, such as an echo delay which Tubby had made by passing a loop of tape over the heads of an old two-track machine(19).

There is general agreement that King Tubby's most prodigious period was during the mid seventies when working with Bunny Lee(20). With Lee relying on Tubby's experimentation and expertises of the 'dub' re-mix.

Improvisation was the order of the day; most of Tubby's dubs were mixed live, with the engineer playing his board like a great jazzman blowing solos on his horn, deconstructing and reinventing the music.(21)

While Tubby was not an instrumentalist, when recording Lee's studio band the Aggrovators(22), he was able to use his mixing desk and primitive effect devices as though they were an instrument, on occasion even physically hitting the spring reverb unit to create a thunderclap sound or putting a brief frequency test tone on deep echo into the mix (later he would use sound effects like sirens and gunshots).

It wasn't simply the fact that Tubby and his cohorts used reverb and delay effects in their mixes; the difference with Tubby, was that these effects were used to enliven radically re-mixed versions of songs. Tubby, a skilled and resourceful electronics expert, improvised endlessly with his studio equipment.(23)

Tubby started training other engineers (such as 'Prince' Philip Smart,(24) Lloyd James, better known as 'Prince Jammy'(25)and Overton 'Scientist' Brown(26).) in the intricacies of dub.

In the mid 1970s Jammy would become King Tubby's leading dub engineer at the Waterhouse studio. During his time at the studio he had mixed most of Bunny Lee's dub tracks. Then in 1978, Jammy started his own label called 'Imprint' and took his first step in record production. By 1985, Jammy had become the dominant Jamaican producer responsible himself for bringing a whole new generation of musicians and mixers into this genre of music.

As the 1970s came to a close, Overton 'Scientist' Brown took over as Tubby's leading engineer. Brown had first met Osbourne while working in his Televison and radio repair shop. He was given the opportunity to experiment in the recording studio during downtime. Brown would eagerly play what he had done to Tubby, to which Tubby would reply that he thought the work was weak and his apprentice still had much to learn. Years later Tubby admitted he was merely pushing Brown to stretch himself and these early 'dub's' had been excellent.(27)

'Every man who mixed at Tubby's got his own sound, yet no matter which mixmaster was at the board, the resultant music always bore the authentic stamp of King Tubby's'(28).

During the early eighties, King Tubby devoted himself to building his new studio. Completed in 1985, it soon produced its first hit, Anthony Red Rose's 'Temper'. It looked as if Tubby was to become a leading producer in Jamaican music, until he was mysteriously gunned down outside his studio in 1986.

The Jamaican music scene has had very strong links to the United Kingdom since early 1960s. When Jamaican 'Ska' artists were signed by English record companies, their music was readily accepted by England's 'Mod' culture of the sixties(29). To some degree it has been these links and support that has made the export of Jamaican music much easier to the rest of the world. The combination of this with the growing popularity of modern dance styles such as 'Trip hop', 'Drum and Bass" and 'Jungle', (which are direct decedents of the originanl Jamaican 'Dub' music of King Tubby(30)) have brought many new artists and producers from outside of Jamaica to continue in the experimentation and the use of dub in their music. Steve Barrow of Blood and Fire says,

Tubby was, by any standards, a genius.....he invented Dub - which, as we know, is the pulse that beats through much of today's dance music from trip-hop to techno. If Lee Perry was the first surrealist of dub, Tubby was definitely the first modernist.(31)


England now has a large percentage of the total number of artists involved in this genre of music, with many of the leading producers being based there. Adrian Sherwood and The Mad Professor are two of these leading 'dub' exponents.

Adrian Sherwood (The producer behind the British On-U sound record label) has since the 1970s recorded many artist from within the 'dub' genre, such as Creation Rebel, African Headcharge, Singers & Players and Dub Syndicate. Often wildly experimental with studio techniques, sometimes running whole tracks in reverse, has also attracted artists from outside the realm of 'dub' such as Depeche Mode, Nine inch nails, Living Color, Garbage and The Cure, all of who have used Sherwood's radical approach to mixing to manipulate their material.(32)

The 'Mad Professor' alias Neil Fraser started producing and recording dub music in 1980. Over the past sixteen years he has become one of the premier artists of this genre. One of the most prolific creators in this medium and operating out of a vast studio expanse in Britain, he has released in excess of a 100 Albums, performing re-mixes for such acts as Massive Attack, Sade and Pato Baton. He characteristically uses electronic sounds in his dub such as bleeps, whirs and other electronic machinations.(33)

'Dub' Recommended Listening
King Tubby, 1994, Dub gone Crazy(The Evolution of Dub), Blood and Fire.

Lee 'Scratch' Perry and King Tubby, 1974,Blackboard Jungle, Upsetter.

Compilation, 1975, The Roots of Dub, Grounation.

Lee 'Scratch' Perry, 1975, Revolution Dub, Cactus .

Massive Attack vs Mad Professor, 19??, No Protection, Wild Bunch.

Bibliography
Larkin, C. (ed.) 1995, The Guinness Encyclopedia of popular Music, vol 1-5, Guinness Publishing, England

Newspapers and Magazines
Hawkins, E. 1996 'The secret history of Dub-reggae historians delve into the echo chamber", Eye Weekly, Toronto's arts Newspaper April 18

O'Hagan, S. 1997, 'Blood & Fire', The Guardian, November 7.

Internet
'Dub gone Crazy', [online},

http://www.interruptor.ch/dub.html [15th June 1999]

Islandlife, 1998, ''Early Years Lee Perry The Mighty Upsetter', [online}, http://www.leeperry.com/life/page5.html[12th April 1999]

Islandlife,1997, 'The Story of Jamaican Music', [online}, http://homepage.oanet.com/sleeper/bio01.htm [10th April 1999]

Jah, S. 'King Tubby', [online},

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1392/kingtubby.html [9th June 1999]

Niceup, 'Blood and Fire liner notes', [online}, http://v-music.com/niceup/writers/steve ... iner_notes [15th June 1999]

On-U Sound, 'Adrain Sherwood' [online},

http://www.obsolete.com/on-u/sherwood.html [2nd May 1999]

Sleeper, M, 'Brief History of Scratch', [online},

http://homepage.oanet.com/sleeper/bio01.htm [10th April 1999]

Smithies, G. 'Hopeton 'overton' Brown (Scientist)' [online}, http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1392/Scientist.html [18th March 1999]

Spence, D. Jetpack, 'Back to the Lab with the Mad Professor', [online}, Http://www.jetpack.com/lounge02/mad_prof/ [22nd July 1999]

The interrupter, 'The Dub me Crazy page', [online}, http://www.interruptor.ch/dub.html[15th June 1999] [9th August 1999]

Toop,D. 'Dub by John McCreedy', [online}, http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/139 ... reedy.html [15th June 1999]

Wordup, 'King Tubby, Scientist & Prince Jammy', [online}, http://www.merseyworld.com/wordup/wordup4/tubby.html [22nd July 1999]



Music
Compilation, 1993, Tough than tough; the story of Jamaican Music, Island Records

King Tubby, 1994, Dub gone Crazy(The Evolution of Dub), Blood and Fire.

Hello !

PABLO ILIE a écrit :LE DUB OU DU DUB COMME TU VEUX MAIS LE DUB! LA, C EST RESERVE A LA MAUVAISE MUSIQUE... LA TECHNO PAR EXEMPLE...

mouhahaha !!

Teach dem Pablo, teach dem ...

Respeckt.

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Reuh ...

'OLio' a écrit :
"Bedouin Sound Clash" label ROIR

Hé mais je l'ai celui-là ... c'est vrai un peu ovni mais carrément bon !

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LE DUB OU DU DUB COMME TU VEUX MAIS LE DUB! LA, C EST RESERVE A LA MAUVAISE MUSIQUE... LA TECHNO PAR EXEMPLE...

il n'y a pas de mauvaise musique ... teach me....

com'back pablo com'back

PABLO ILIE a écrit :LE DUB OU DU DUB COMME TU VEUX MAIS LE DUB! LA, C EST RESERVE A LA MAUVAISE MUSIQUE... LA TECHNO PAR EXEMPLE...

overl l

Butloch a écrit :J'ai un mad professor avec lee perry c'est une bombe, ok ca vire bien jungle des fois mais ca tue

Sinon j'ai un album de Sly & Robbie qui s'appelle Gold Dubs qui est vraiment tres bon aussi

exelent celui la avec mad professor

Ralala le dub...
Allez quelques albums en stepper qui sont des références pour moi...et qu'il me semble indispensable d'écouter...
Les Vibronics..avec Dubliftment.. (notamment le Deep root dub aïe aïe aïe!!)
Alpha & Omega comme vous l'avez deja dit...deux album magiques meme si tous sont enormes : Dub Magic (listen to Eternal Dub..aïe aïe aïe!!) & Meets the iries in roots (avec How could you live...cette chanteuse, une voix magnifique)... pensons a Manasseh deja cité notemment ceux avec The Equalizer...(genre shining )..à The rootsman ou ça part un pti peu en dnb mais tranquillou...Iration Steppah aussi!! Et n'oublions pas Jah Free, Jah Shaka (respect), Aba Shanti I, The Disciples...(le dernier avec Delroy Dyer est excellent) et bon je vais pas partir sur le stepper et le dub electro français parce que la j'ai pas fini!!

dragon war et dub war bien sur

groundation ina dub

Moi c'était ma mère

"mais oui je te dis que j'ai entendu un truc à la radio, j'écoutais ça quand j'étais un peu plus jeune, ils ont dit que ça s'appelait, euh, un nom un peu long avec bcp de "ton" dedans"

Bon, c'est pas grave maman, c'était interessant quand même.

Et pis finalement je tombe sur un soi disant linton kwesi jonson qq part sur un forum, j'apprends que c'est un roi du dub tout ça tout ça, alors je télécharge, sonny's lettah je crois.

Imaginez ma mère hystérique, "ah mais oui c'est, aaaahhhh j'adore cette chanson".

Bref finalement j'ai réussi à faire en sorte qu'on lui offre Forces of victory qui finalement reste bien au chaud depuis dans ma chambre...

Voilà comment j'en suis venue au dub.
Ceci étant dit, à part LKJ, je suis pas allée très loin...

don carlos, y a pas un peu de dub dans ce qu'il a fait dernièrement??

Ué euh groundation, le dernier album ouais, mais à part quelques incorporations dub dans le reste, c'est pas non plus la référence au niveau dub, enfin je trouve pas.

Pour le dub français, ne pas oublier Hightone ou Manutension (terrible) c'est l'inge de improvisator dub.

Pour l'histoire
Je "crois" que l'anecdote c'est que pendant un sound system avec King Tubby des bad boys ont tirés des coups de feu en l'air, et Tubby aurait repris le son des flingues dans le micro avec sa reverb... Les gens ont tellement kiffé qu'il a remis ça...

Perso j'ai découvert le dub en Free party avec un sound system UK y a 10 piges et depuis j'ai pas laché.
avec des sons comme "mad professor et massive attack" "scientist win the world cup" ou des sons de sir coxsone... et pleins d'autres

bless U